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slidewaysmike
08-15-2001, 08:30 PM
I was wondering if anyone else thought that maybe Subaru was thinking of bringing the new WRX here all the way back in 98. So what they did was use the 2.5RS as a market test to see what kind of interest there was?
I am almost convinced that this is the case. If it is, then pretty much anyone who purchased a 2.5RS played an integral role in getting the WRX here. Wouldn't that be nice?

Just curious.

Mike

Gerlando
08-15-2001, 08:35 PM
I think it would be a safe bet to say that ALL current vehicles are market tests for future products. The RS will preclude the WRX which will hopefully preclude the STi which will preclude the Legacy B4! :)

At least that would be my product launch list if I was in charge!
-Gerlando.
http://www.clubSTi.com

FuJi K
08-15-2001, 10:48 PM
IMO.................i think it was a test!!!:D

Tony
08-15-2001, 11:33 PM
I can't see it any other way. They stick an engine designed to push around automatic Outbacks into their smallist chassis and tack on cheesey wings and scoops off the WRX. Luckily it turned out okay (except for the lame suspension and tires). Seems like a smart move. If they'd just jumped in with the WRX in 98 they wouldn't have the sales or performance image they have due to the 2.5 RS. Makes selling the WRX easier and a surer bet.

Tony

ivbdn
08-15-2001, 11:39 PM
It's a test. Why else would SOA reply w/ things like thank you for your interest in blah blah blah car. Unfortunately...you get the picture.

Flowmastered87GL
08-16-2001, 02:33 AM
I'm pretty sure it was a test, I believe the good sales of the 2.5RS sedan was the reasoning behind making the WRX a sedan and not a coupe. Even though I never see 2.5 RS sedans, i heard in the last year (or 2?) they outsold the 2.5RS coupes :confused: Hmmm with the # of subies around here it seems like I would see more sedans, but I dont...

Penphoe
08-16-2001, 02:59 AM
SOA/C would have sold if they also had an RS wagon! I'd buy one for sure!

LaterZ!
Darren!!

jim-bob
08-16-2001, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by Penphoe
SOA/C would have sold if they also had an RS wagon! I'd buy one for sure!


yeah, i would've bought one a few years ago. instead i just beat the piss out of my old legacy wagon until the wrx showed up.. not that i mind too much.:D

sjt
08-16-2001, 03:21 AM
maybe if we're really LUCKY and I mean REALLY, this WRX thing could be the precursor to the STi which would hopefully lead to (sorry not the B4 RSK) but like an RB5 or UK300 (both Prodrive twists on a good idea) or even better the JDM twist on it, a 22B-STi!!! How dope would that be???:cool:

slidewaysmike
08-16-2001, 03:41 AM
sjt--> now that would be really cool. I guess it is a good thing that WRXs are selling like hotcakes. Maybe SOA will decide to bring the STi or STi type RA or maybe the B4. I bet there are a few people who would love to see the Forester performnce version come here also. What is that called again?

Mike

sjt
08-16-2001, 12:31 PM
Forester R Turbo!!!

25RS
08-16-2001, 02:21 PM
i personally don't think it was a test. the JDM wrx's were turbo charged cars and the only thing the usdm imprezas had in common with them were the chassis.
since the new age imprezas looks nothing like the GC body styles, how was it considered a test?

Testing styling or engines?
2.5 RS (same chassis no turbo which we got)
JDM WRX (same chassis with turbo which never came)
USDM 2002 WRX (different chassis with turbo which we ended up with)

Umm what were they testing? whether we liked turbo (of course we do) or the new age styling which doesnt resemble the 98-01 RS's. just adding my 2 cents worth of thoughts.

- Jon

SlideWRX
08-16-2001, 02:48 PM
they were testing the market reaction to a subaru branded performance/image car.

I think when the SVX came out, so few in the US knew of any racing /performance heritage that subaru didn't get the response they wanted. I think that prompted the RS, which was cheaper and (sort-of) more conservative. I think they knew the RS would help them build thier performance image better (especially considering the resemblance to the rally car - image wise) and prepare the US for a WRX release.

they weren't testing specific styling or performance, but rather rally inspired styling and performance. I think that if they brought over the WRX way back when it was first available, it would have had a much slower start, which didn't make good business sense.

Plus, the SVX and the RS also let subaru understand the market and time the release of the WRX to get great reviews.

also remember that when the SVX came out, subaru was in financial trouble and was saved by the outback, in the SUV craze. A little later subaru announced it would stop making 2wd vehicles, since they sold so few. I don't think subaru could have brought the WRX over back in the 90's because of the financial risk. Subaru didn't know if it would sell well enough to cover the expense.

slidewaysmike
08-16-2001, 02:53 PM
Well said Slide- (Cool name by the way)

They were testing whether or not a performance oriented Subaru would sell very well in America.

I don't believe they were testing the turbo concept, because we already had turbo Subarus here. They probably also were trying to determine how many WRXs they could sell in America based on sales numbers from the RS.

Thats what I think anyway.

Mike

25RS
08-16-2001, 03:26 PM
i totally agree that subaru was testing us by bringing over the 2.5 RS which was a watered-down-rally-INSPIRED-"performance"-vehicle. i also believe they noticed the fact that many RS owners were going out of their way spending alot of money trying to bring the usdm imprezas up to par in performance with the turbo wrx's we never got. this may also have contributed to their decision to sell factory boosted 2002 imprezas here.
therefore, 2002 WRX owners must thanks us by loaning out their cars to 98-01 RS owners for a week to show their appreciation.
2002 RS owners will need to stand in line behind the owners of 98-01 RS's waiting for their turbo kits.

- Jon

goobie
08-16-2001, 03:36 PM
I may be way off in left field here, but it seems that if subaru was using the rs as a base upon which to project future saled of WRX then in my opinion they would have pushed a little harder with the marketing of the RS. The RS is not a car that everybody know about, infact it's probably one of the least known compacts out there. Subaru has really put a BIG effort into marketing the WRX since its release in north america and almost anyone who knows anything at all about car knows of its existance and reputation. When people ask me what I drive and I tell them a "subaru impreza" the normal responce I get is "Is that the really cool looking fast car in thoes commercials?" Then of course I end up having to explain the RS, In fact I'm so sick of that queston that now depending on who is asking I will just smile and nod. :lol:

Iowannaski
08-16-2001, 03:42 PM
My understanding was that the RS was the best substitute they could come up with for the WRX until they could get the WRX to pass US crash test/emission regulations. It's a little convoluted, but I doubt they made much money off the RS. One of my favorite "features" that shows just how hard they were trying to keep the price of the RS down is the missing trunk light. I don't know, but the common thinking is that we would have seen a GC8 WRX, but for US crash testing. And I'm suggesting the volume wouldn't have justified the cost of the donor cars, rather reengineering the cars to pass the tests was the prohibitive cost factor.
my 1/50 of a dollar.

Iowannaski
08-16-2001, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by goobie
When people ask me what I drive and I tell them a "subaru impreza" the normal responce I get is "Is that the really cool looking fast car in thoes commercials?"

Do you also explain to them that the car in the commercials isn't really cool looking?;)

jetfire67
08-16-2001, 04:12 PM
yup, we were all test subjects...just a bunch of lab rats! :lol:

blaster88
08-16-2001, 06:07 PM
I don't think it was a test.

It was a car designed to sell to a new market, for them.

The 98 might have been a test, that's why they only made 400 something of them. The response was good, so they made more of the Imprezas like that in the following years.

The WRX is coming because people wanted them. I would put no small part of the responsibility for the arrival of the turbo Impreza to US shores on this bulletin board.

rogue
08-16-2001, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by jetfire67
yup, we were all test subjects...just a bunch of lab rats! :lol:
And that makes the Blaze Yellow WRX... the cheese at the end of the maze?

alexs001
08-16-2001, 10:48 PM
The cheese stands alone!

STiTkacik
08-16-2001, 10:56 PM
Yep...just a test, and I like the results:)